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Rolls Royce Dishwasher!
Rated No. 1 (2010) by a leading consumer magazine.
This machine is a dream. It actually cleans my dishes wonderfully. Imagine that. Unlike the Whirlpool dishwasher it replaced, It doesn’t leave the dishes cloudy. It leaves them spotless. It doesn’t leave soap film all over my dishes like my Whirlpool did. It also doesn’t throw bits of foods that it washes off the other dishes and redeposit them onto the glasses or other dishes or bake them on after that, if I use Sani-Rinse. :\ This Bosch dishwasher is worlds apart in a good way.
If anyone is wondering why dishwashers take so long to wash dishes these days, it’s because they don’t use anywhere near as much water as they used to. To compensate for this, wash times have been significantly increased. The USA Federal Government mandates have forced manufacturers that want to sell dishwashers in the country to comply with new stringent water and electricity mising rules. Europeans are used to this and have been manufacturing their dishwashers and clothes washers in an eco-efficient way for decades, but the USA has just recently been forced to catch up.
I had complained about our other Whirlpool dishwasher that this Bosch dishwasher replaced for quite some time. It wasn’t until I started washing the dishes by hand, that my housemate figured I had had enough with that awful Whirlpool dishwasher. I took it upon myself, since I was given the option, to select the replacement for the old Whirlpool dishwasher (which was only 4 years old actually), so I selected this Bosch dishwasher.
Cleaning Performance --What can I say? As I said before, it makes my glassware sparkle like new with no streaks or spot, and dishes are thoroughly cleaned, rinsed and NSF sanitize certified every time. The fact it makes my glassware look so nice is impressive, considering I live in an area that probably has the hardest water in the USA. I don't have a water softener and this particular model doesn't have a salt dispenser.
Energy Efficiency -- Rated at 259 kWh/yr...One of the "greenest" dishwashers you can buy. What does this mean in real terms? It will cost you approximately $19 a year in operating costs in natural gas and electricity if you have a gas water heater. If you have an electric water heater it will cost about $25 a year in electricity.
Water-Efficiency-- Uses about 5.8 gallons of water or less depending on which cycle you choose..
Aesthetics-- This dishwasher is distinctively European looking; which isn't a surprise to me since the design and engineering is German. No bold looks that I can notice and the buttons are just the right size. It’s a very boxy design with the control panel on the front. Hidden controls are not for me because I want to be able to easily tell where the machine is in the cycle.
Stainless Steel Tub-- I got the stainless steel tub version. This is mainly a snobbish choice of aesthetics. However the Bosch dishwashers all have stainless steel tubs with the exception of one cheaper model that has plastic on the bottom tub portion only. Bosch claims that because of their machine design, the stainless steel tub actually helps to dry the dishes. The tub is covered for the life of the dishwasher. The stainless steel tub on our other dishwasher was resistant to stains, but it was not stain proof. I don’t know if this tub and liner will be different.
Noise Level—What noise? :) LOL! I think my refrigerator makes more noise than this dishwasher- no joke. Perhaps I’m exaggerating, but it’s close competition. The only thing you can hear when this dishwasher is on is a little bit of water splash noise and a slight hum when the water is being drained. At a noise rating of only 47 decibels, it actually seems to be too quiet perhaps? This Bosch dishwasher is heavily noise insulated, and believe it or not, it’s still not the quietest model they make. With thick noise padding, two pumps, and no hard food disposer, it's easy to understand why this machine is very quiet.
Cycles on this machine seem to be excessive, and perhaps somewhat confusing at times, but I wanted this model because it was what a leading consumer magazine rated the best . This dishwasher comes with the following standard cycles that also incorporate fuzzy logic technology:
Cycle Indication Lights—This dishwasher has buttons that don’t depress much when pushed. They are more like click buttons or click switches. A slight click is all you hear when they are pushed. There are no knobs. There is a time remaining countdown light and a sanitized indicator light and a light that lets you know when to refill the rinse aid on the front panel. The sanitized light only comes on at the end of the cycle if the dishwasher had to significantly heat up the wash and rinse water. Sanitation is not a problem. It's standard on this dishwasher. Besides, your dishes are sanitized enough by the sodium hypochlorite (bleach) in your detergent and the heat from the water. When you put dishes into the cupboard they are infested with tiny microbes. So sani rinse, etc. on dishwashers is quite a frivolous cycle, but it helps dishwashers sell, so I imagine that's why you see this cycle so much on dish machines. You cannot tell by looking at the control panel when this dishwasher is filling, rinsing or washing. It only has a countdown readout.
Half Load – Automatically adjusts energy and water usage for a half loaded dishwasher and washes accordingly. There is no “top rack only” wash cycle for this model
Eco – Checks condition of water to see whether extra fills are necessary for wash and rinse cycles.
Power Scrub Plus - Removes heavily dried on food soils of pots and pans or regular dishes
Auto Wash - Automatically adjusts cycle to how dirty the dishes are and washes accordingly. I just purchased this dishwasher, so the only cycle I’ve had a chance to use is the regular wash cycle. This cycle is good for normally soiled dishes with dried food on them. Depending on how dirty the water becomes, the dishwasher will either provide 1 or 2 prerinses.
Regular Cycle - For normally soiled everyday dishes without dried food on them
Quick Wash - For lightly soiled dishes that don’t have dried food on them 30 minutes. This cycle can be used right after you clean up for a dinner party perhaps or if you're washing dishes that you want to use that have been stored in the garage or basement.
Hi-Temp-- This is not something a person can select manually. Hi temp comes on if it needs to.
Sani-Rinse -- Sani Rinse is called Extra Heat on this dishwasher and must be selected by pressing a couple of the buttons simultaneously on the front panel and holding for three seconds. The learning curve is little bit different for this dishwasher, but it doesn’t bother me.
Rinse and Hold - This dishwasher doesn’t have a rinse and hold cycle; but not to worry. I haven’t found that I need one with this machine.
Delicate/ Eco - I’m not sure what Eco stands for, but this cycle is for washing china and crystal. I imagine this cycle would be good to use if you have a bunch of stored crystal and china that is dusty to rinse or wash off, otherwise this is a cycle that would rarely get used.., cause I don't know about you, but I'd never put my fine china in a dishwasher.
Delay Start -- With this dishwasher you can delay the start time for about 19 hours if you want to. Delay start is a nice feature to have on a dishwasher, because it allows you take advantage of off peak hours of electricity rates, or set the machine to come on when you go to bed. A dishwasher can’t get any more silent when it comes on when you’re countin’ sheep.
Child Lock - Yep it has one. It keeps toddlers from changing the cycles
Heated Dry—The heated dry is not optional and seems to work just fine. I'm not even sure this machine has the traditional heating element that most people in USA may be used to. It uses a concealed element combined with condensation drying technology to dry the dishes. (No more melted plastics) A special unit in the motor is used to heat the water for rinsing and drying.. Usually around the last ten minutes or so of the cycle it reserves this time for drying. Because there is no exposed heating element, you can put your plastics anywhere you want in this dishwasher, even if the items say "top rack only". The only “problem” with the dry cycle is that it does not seem to dry plastics all that well, but this may not be an issue for you as it isn't for me. It's an issue for some people though. Come to think of it, I don't know of any dishwasher that will dry plastics. Plastic doesn't conduct heat. There have been many previous complaints about Bosch dishwashers not drying the dishes. This has not been my experience. It dries my metal and ceramic dishes just fine.
Capacity -- Now this might be an issue for some people. At first glance this dishwasher does seem to be smaller in capacity than what most Americans are used to; however I think with this dishwasher the space is just more compact. It holds about 14 place settings of dishes. That's plenty for me.. My eye is not that discerning. But this shouldn't be a problem as long as you are not loading the dishwasher with tons of pots and pans all the time and you are loading it correctly. Many people don't load their dishwasher correctly. Pots and pans are something I tend to wash by hand. My other dishwasher had larger capacity but didn't clean the dishes worth a hootenanny, so I'll take the Bosch, thank you. :) Also, with the Bosch dishwasher, overlapping works well because of its powerful jet sprays. Overlapping increases loading space.
Flatware Rack -- The flatware rack is marvelous. It’s what they call the flexible type. It’s huge, and can be snapped back to back or side to side and has individual cubicles so the flatware doesn’t get nested together. You can put the flatware basket anywhere you want to on the bottom rack or just use one half of the rack, (greatly improving loading space), if you don’t have that much flatware to load. This model doesn’t have a standard non-flexible cube flatware basket which has cubicle lids that can be snapped in the stay up position, however the cubicle lid on the flatware rack can be folded down flat to lay on the side.
Bottom Dish Rack -- The design of the bottom dish rack is nice to me. It fits my plates fine and it fits bowls great. When I shopped for this dishwasher I made sure to take my dishes with me to see if they would fit because I heard that the capacity is smaller than what most Americans are used to. There are tines that can be folded down to accomodate super large bowls or pots and pans
Upper Rack -- The upper rack is adequate for most glasses and cups. It is not height adjustable. There are no clasping tines that I have noticed on the top rack to hold lids, etc. Small lids and other similar items can be put under the flatware cubicle grid lid in the flatware basket.
Cup Shelves -- These can be used for ladles and large serving utensils or to easily fit wine glasses. The cup shelves lay flat over tea cups or other short cups like liquor shot glasses. Or they can be folded up to accommodate tall glasses. On the upper and lower rack there are also tines that can be folded down or up to better accomodate your glassware and other dishware.
Tall Tub Washing – The upper rack can be removed and the upper water pipe can be fitted with a sprayer head to wash large cookie sheets and other large items you wouldn’t normally be able to fit in a dishwasher; however Bosch only recommends washing dishware and utensils in their dishwashers, not trash cans, baseball caps, buckets, etc.
At first I thought this feature was kind of silly, until one day when I had 5 cookie sheets, 2 small pots, a microwaver turntable platter,2 platters and 2 plastic cutting boards to wash. I didn't think it was a stupid feature after that scenario. It cleaned all the tall items well.
Rinsing--- This machine seems to rinse just fine. It leaves my dishes sparkling and spotless. I cannot yet tell by listening to it how many rinses it actually gives the dishes but it does seem to rinse thoroughly.
Semi Self-Clean Filter – Most Americans are used to dishwashers with hard food disposers and self cleaning filters. Hard food disposers in dishwashers would seem like a good idea, until you realize they add significantly to noise levels of dishwashers, and can effect cleaning performance, causing food bits to be redeposited onto the dishes during the wash. :\ Bosch realizes this engineering idea is not good, so they use a triple stage filter instead, that traps large particles. Most of the debris that goes into this trap will liquefy and get flushed out of the machine automatically, however it does have to be cleaned periodically if large non-dissolving particles get trapped in it. It's easy to clean. This keeps junk from getting trapped inside the wash module. This happened with my Whirlpool dishwasher that I used to have, which impeded cleaning performance and increased the motor noise. **************** says to watch out for things like raspberry/blackberry seeds with this dishwasher.
Rinse Aid Dispenser - Yep, it has one. The level of how much rinse aid is dispensed can be adjusted.
Salt – There is no salt dispenser on this particular model. I know that some Bosch dishwashers have this feature, but this dishwasher does not have this feature.
Detergent Dispenser - The detergent dispenser slides open and holds a little bit of detergent. It looks small, but it's adequate enough to do the job. Borax can also be added as an additive to the detergent in the detergent cup and it seems to work well. Bosch recommends powdered detergent or those compressed cubes of detergent. I'm not sure why this is.
Engineering Differences ---------------------
Has 2 Pumps- One for washing and one for draining. This minimizes noise and vibration that you get with other dishwashers.
Super Thick Insulation - It makes the machine 47 decibels quiet (about as quiet as a refrigerator)
Non Center Pump and Motor Mounts - Further aids in quietness of machine
Most dishwashers have a heated coil to dry the dishes. This machine uses condensation or a dehumidification process and residual heat to dry the dishes. There is a concealed coil, but the machine doesn't solely rely on the heating coil to dry the dishes.
Special Nylon Coated Racks - They resist or prevent rust through
Fuzzy Logic - Senses soil level and adjusts cycle accordingly
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Sorry, it goes back...
Got this about 3 weeks ago. this is one of Bosch's newer models. It has lots of eco features. Biggest problem is that this (and I think ALL Bosch's) hold about 25% LESS capacity of dishes than almost EVERY other dishwasher on the market. The reason is that they have much thicker sides and back and a double wall construction. This is why they are so quiet. How this can not be pointed out in the review, online specs and in **************** is beyond me. I;m not going to pay for re-install because as far as im concerned this is fraudulent and misleading advertising. Now if you just have two people in your home, then this is most likely not a problem. Family of 3 or 4. Forget about it. You are running this thing every day for shure, and it doesnt hold cereal bowls without using up major space. Bowls need to be face down to get clean so this thing will only hold 4 bowls on top. Our old kenmore could go 2 days without being run unless we did some major eating and dish use in one day. It lasted 10 years and then stopped cleaning the dishes very well so we decided not to spend more getting it fixed and get a new unit. It however had about 5 major repairs in the 10 years we had it so it was not perfect by any means. I actually think a lot of appliances are hit and miss. There is a major component and quality issue on how they build these things, so sometimes you get lucky and get a machine that is great and other times same machine will be very problematic.
Problem # 2. Washing performance is very uneven. On the auto plus mode ( which is the one you are supposed to use as it has 2 sensors that adjust water use and cycle time) the glases and silverware come out with smudges and spots. And yes we are using a rinse aid. Ran it on regular wash cycle and the dishes come out looking better. Problem is you are using a lot more water. So maybe this is a problem for ALL newer dishwashers that meet energy star standards. They dont use enough water to clean and rinse the dishes properly.
Also the sanitized light does not come on. The manual says if your hot water is above 120 degrees it wont come on. (Tested our water and it is 122 degrees.) Why is this? To sanitize the temperature is raised to 160 degrees so what difference does it make what temperature it starts at. I called Bosch to ask, "does this mean my dishes are not being sanitized?" They said they still are but the light just doesnt come on. Hmmm.. Not sure i trust that. What kind of engineer designs something this way...
Good news is this thing is super quiet. Has a nice sturdy build quality. Has lots of adjustable tines, but still can not hold a lot of dishes. When they say it holds 14 place settings take a look at the picture. They use those fancy china small plates and cups that NO ONE uses. Regular larger dishes and bowls reduce this to I'm guessing 6 settings. They show the bowls on their sides in the tines but they dont get clean like this unless you pre rinse them. Then the manual says bowls must be face down. Hmmm again. Cheating the loading they are!
Bottom line is if this thing was bigger inside I would keep it. I have a feeling lots of the new machines dont clean as well as old ones do. But size does matter! How about some truthful advertising where the inside capacity in cubic inches is revealed (like it is when you shop for a refrigerator).
But now it goes back and I am buying a Kenmore Elite 1312 model. It gets mixed reviews so I'll cross my fingers I get a "good one" and it cleans ok.
You know, appliances are supposed to get better as time goes on. If using less water and electricity is better then yes they have. If performance and build quality is what you think of , then take me back 10 or 15 years...